F-35 i nærkamp – hva har jeg lært så langt? (The F-35 in a dogfight – what have I learned so far?) |

I now have several sorties behind me in the F-35 where the mission has been to train within visual range combat one-on-one, or «Basic Fighter Maneuvers» (BFM). In a previous post I wrote about aerial combat in general (English version available), and about the likelihood that the F-35 would ever end up in such a…

I now have several sorties behind me in the F-35 where the mission has been to train within visual range combat one-on-one, or «Basic Fighter Maneuvers» (BFM). In a previous post I wrote about aerial combat in general (English version available), and about the likelihood that the F-35 would ever end up in such a situation. In this post, however, I write more specifically about my experiences with the F-35 when it does end up in a dogfight. Again, I use the F-16 as my reference. As an F-35-user I still have a lot to learn, but I am left with several impressions. For now my conclusion is that this is an airplane that allows me to be more forward and aggressive than I could ever be in an F-16.

I’ll start by talking a little about how we train BFM. This particular situation – a dogfight one-on-one between two airplanes – may be more or less likely to occur, as I have described in a previous blog post (Norwegian only). Nonetheless, this kind of training is always important, because it builds fundamental pilot skills. In this kind of training we usually start out from defined parameters, with clearly offensive, defensive or neutral roles. This kind of disciplined approach to the basic parameters is important, because it makes it easier to extract learning in retrospect – a methodical approach to train for air combat.

via nettsteder.regjeringen.no

As always, the truth is a little more nuanced than most in the defense press would have you believe.

The F-35 isn't optimized for the visual dogfight. It's an attack aircraft with a formidable beyond visual range air to air capability.

But if you fight your plane's strengths, and exploit your opponent's weakness, the F-35 can handle itself just fine in the close in fight.

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Responses to “F-35 i nærkamp – hva har jeg lært så langt? (The F-35 in a dogfight – what have I learned so far?) |”

  1. ron snyder

    I seem to remember BVM capability being touted many times before, yet I do not remember ROE’s allowing BVM. We have BVM but cannot use it.
    Kinda like we do not need any stinking guns on this aircraft.

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  2. jjak

    The A (AF) has a built-in gun. B and C (Marines and Navy) have the pod.

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  3. Krag

    So if the program office for LCS ran a blog, would that change your mind about LCS?
    A little too biased of a source for my liking. I’d much rather read his “classified” findings, should they ever see the light of day.

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  4. Xbradtc

    Virtually all US engagements in Desert Storm and since then have been BVR.

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  5. Fringe

    “A little too biased of a source for my liking.”
    Somebody flying the aircraft from a tactical standpoint- whose life could potentially be on the line in conflict while at the controls of the jet is a biased source.
    Meanwhile, media parties who are dependent on clicks for income (and negative press always outrates the positive) and have no actual basis for comparison or comment are impartial?
    There’s some logic.

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  6. Guest

    If you read the article closely, the author claims that the the rapid energy loss associated with the F-35’s high-AOA regime allowed him to reduce his closure rate in a 1v1 engagement.
    An F-16 flown in the same manner, he claims, would overshoot, as it would maintain higher energy through the maneuver.
    That’s hardly a ringing endorsement of the platform. The US Air Force has rejected similar low-energy tactics for decades as getting slow and unenergetic in a turning fight is unequivocally a losing strategy.
    Gods of Copybook Headings, etc.

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  7. timactual

    I have been unsuccessful in finding information about how this wonderful BVR environment will work when the opposition starts fielding its own stealthy aircraft. How will they be detected?

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  8. Fringe

    “That’s hardly a ringing endorsement of the platform. The US Air Force has rejected similar low-energy tactics for decades as getting slow and unenergetic in a turning fight is unequivocally a losing strategy.”
    And then proceed to get their asses handed to them when Navy/USMC TDYs to Nellis with F/A-18s- because they know when getting slow in a fight is advantageous.

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  9. Casey

    “how this wonderful BVR environment will work when the opposition starts fielding its own stealthy aircraft. How will they be detected?”
    Given they’re all paper planes, I think we have time to develop plans.

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  10. Mel

    @timactual “how this wonderful BVR environment will work when the opposition starts fielding its own stealthy aircraft. How will they be detected?”
    Most of that information is classified.

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  11. timactual

    Both China and Russia will probably have operational stealth aircraft by 2018. Plan quickly.
    Classified? How convenient. We can, however, speculate.
    Active or passive detection? Active detection kind of defeats your own stealth, and doesn’t work too well on stealthy aircraft. Passive detection of a stealth aircraft bvr seems a little odd. Clairvoyance, perhaps?
    Radar? Laser? infrared? Not too effective against stealth, right?
    What am I missing?

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